OOC Storyline Planning

[Austin]

Plan the upcoming events OOC here

[Hope Mêler]

I was just wondering - since I'm leaving - how are we going to explain Hope's sudden disappearance?

[Austin]

hmm perhaps the car breaks down in your and Cindy's thread and she looks under the hood and then turns around and you've gone? you can just explain to her when you get back that you had 'business to attend to' lets be mysterious (just a suggestion)

[Hope Mêler]

Yeah, I think that sounds good. Have to get it cleared with Leigh, 'course (meaning, make him make Cindy look under the hood of that car ) .... also, we'll have to do all that before I leave (i.e. tonight). If that works out, woohoo.

Edit: I just realised, her running off would be kinda weird, 'cause she's trying to make a good impression so she can get in the Circle and all. Maybe she has to... urr... hunt down a vampire?

[Austin]

could do

[Cindy Harker]

But maybe she just runs off due to her hatred of Cindy. I mean, would she really wanna spend the night with her? Especially if the car breaks down again. Cindy and Hope would be stuck together until it gets fixed, so her running off makes sense.

Then she can just take a break to research the Circle or something to better fit in.

Plus I can write your disappearance if you've left before we can sort it out between us.

[Hope Mêler]

OOC to Jaden about posts in the Devil's Advocates thread;

Hope never said that she wanted to go to the Advocates alone, she told Austin that she could go there, and you guys followed. Although you personally know that she's a double-agent, I think your characters over-analysed her actions. Her reasons for wanting to get out were because they no longer had any way of checking out the building without having Rino come and kick their asses, so it was dangerous for them to stay there. If she had been an honest character, that would still be her decision. She's not eager to get out of the building because she initially wanted to go there alone (although she never said that to Austin, it would of course have been practical), but because if they stayed they'd have another encounter with Rino and there would be no point in that, because they were not ready for it.

If a character is nice to begin with it doesn't mean that she suddenly turns all bad just because she disagrees with what another person thinks, and has very strong opinions about it. Hope really felt that they had to get out, she's got a temper and is not afraid of saying what she thinks, so it may have come off as a bit harsh to Jaden and Kunoichi, BUT a nice person could still have reacted to that particular situation in the same way.

So, I guess what I'm asking of you, and I guess this goes to all people in the Circle, is that you don't over-analyse her actions in a negative way. Because you all know that she's a double-agent it's really easy for you to make your characters interpret her actions in a negative double-agent-y way, even though there might not be a reason to do so in any given situation. I think one of those over-interpretations happened in the Advocate's thread, where Kunoichi and Jaden became really suspicious of Hope because she wanted to get out of there. Kunoichi actually agreed with her, which shows that even as an honest character Hope's reasons for wanting to leave would be well grounded, so at that moment there isn't much there to make you overly suspicious of her. I ain't seeing anyone being suspicious of Kunoichi, even though she had the same opinion as Hope.

To make one thing clear though, it would of course be natural of your characters to be slightly suspicious of Hope, and I believe that that should show through their actions sometimes, by for example acting coldly towards her, stuff like that. But what I'm trying to say is that in some of her actions you don't get any reason to act suspiciously, unless you actually know that she's a double-agent. And your characters don't. So please don't be OVERLY suspicious, because if y'all get overly suspicious it's going to be really difficult for me to do something that makes Hope get a real "in" in the Circle. And that's what would be really interesting in her storyline, if the Circle really believed that she was truly one of them, then in a (hopefully dramatic and... um... if I know myself well, funny-) moment it will all be revealed. That's all going to be really interesting, but only if the Circle takes her in as a member of the family, and trusts her.

Also, since Rino's going to get killed in the end of this "season" (I believe), it's interesting to bring a person that you REALLY hate and are disappointed in into the next "season"/story. If you never truly trust in her it's just going to be like "Oh, she's on Rino's side, well - urr.... I kinda suspected that all along", but if you do it's going to be like "OH SHIT!" and that would of course cause a lot more of hate and disappointment in her than if you suspected it all along. And such a hate-disappointment relationship between the Circle and Hope would be incredibly interesting to see develop in further "seasons", especially because I see her getting attached to the Circle, but ultimately deciding to follow Rino because that's who she really is - a stupid, mean person who goes where she thinks the power lies.

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And now I've been rambling way WAY WAAAAY too much. I'm sorry.

[Rino]

I actually agree with Hope here. You all know she's a double agent, but that's out of character knowledge. Don't bring it into the RP.

You haven't had any problems trusting other new characters to the Circle, only this one, and it seems to be because OOC you know Hope is a traitor. In character, you don't, your characters shouldn't be so aware.

If your characters are naturally suspicious, they should be suspicious of other people. Like Cindy. What's someone like her doing in the city? Or to a lesser extent, Austin. He recognised Rino, what's he not telling you?

What I'm saying is, when you come off as just suspicious about the character who hasn't given you any cause to believe she's a traitor, it feels like your using your OOC knowledge to make sure your characters are perfect and see it coming.

Especially since Hope has a very good point. You cause trouble in Devil's Advocates, and you're liable to end up dead. Jaden can disagree with Hope's idea to retreat, and suggest recon or something, but suggesting a direct confrontation with Rino after he just kicked the asses of the entire united Circle isn't going to be that wise.

Anyway, that's just my opinion on the matter. Betrayals are very nice pieces of story work when handled well, so it'd be a shame to ruin this one by having everybody be suspicious. If Hope betrays you, and your characters don't see it coming, it'll be very interesting. They'll never know who to trust again, and it'll make things feel epic for the finale, members turning traitor, the end of the world coming, etc. If you all see it coming, then it'll just be a "Oh, she finally revealed it".

Anyway, as I said. My opinion. Not something I can state as a fact, and obviously you have the final say in what your character would think. I just thought I'd share my opinion because it's something that occured to me too.

[Austin]

I agree with Rino and Hope, we all have to try and seperate OOC knowledge with character knowledge if this is going to work; we all know (OOC) that she's loyal to Rino but our characters are oblivious to that fact (something i have made great effort to keep going in my 3)

Jaden: your character has made a major about turn since earlier in the bar, he was all for Hope's inclusion in the circle and now he doesn't trust her? could you try and be alittle more consistent (i find it humerous that he trusted her when he didn't know her and now when he's getting to know her he doesn't )

[Azrael Jiraco]

My character trusts everyone =/

[Hope Mêler]

What a sweet character, Az

[Azrael Jiraco]

Yey! ^^ Thanks!

This thread seems to be becoming the new welcome thread! XD

[Hope Mêler]

No - no, it really shouldn't. We need a thread for rp planning, and this is going to be it.

[Austin]

Indeed it is, if i have to i will get out my spammer hammer; the welcome thread is for spam, this is not

[Azrael Jiraco]

btw, did I miss something? Why are Kunoichi and Jaden talking to each other with their minds? They're both human! =/